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The Right to Choose by poasterchild The Right to Choose by poasterchild
Please disseminate widely, thank you! This does not give permission to alter or claim credit for this re-mixed work, for which I retain all copyrights. The original illustration is in the public domain.

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:iconkazuhira-preacher:
Kazuhira-Preacher Featured By Owner May 26, 2014
For those womens that are in "special situations" of course right???
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:iconbyron7:
byron7 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good work mate.
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0L50NJ4 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
AMEN!
*Stands up and Claps!*
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:D :D :D
:nod: :nod: :nod:
:D :D :D
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:iconketchupgirlx:
ketchupgirlX Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012
I'm pretty sure that even people who are pro-life for "religious reasons" have reasons more complex than "God and my priests said so so it must be correct."
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Uh, actually not, at least in my experience that is exactly what they think.
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:iconanimusastralis:
AnimusAstralis Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2013
I believe every country has people like that. But I think that they should be free to do what they want, unless they want to impose their nasty habits on everyone.
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:iconlovethyfather:
lovethyfather Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
I approve!
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:iconcitrineg:
CitrineG Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Student Digital Artist
indeed! God gave us free will for a reason!
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:iconlovethyfather:
lovethyfather Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
You're damn right I did! :)
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:iconcitrineg:
CitrineG Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
XD
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:iconlovethyfather:
lovethyfather Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
:)
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:iconcitrineg:
CitrineG Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
*bows*
:bowdown:
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:iconlovethyfather:
lovethyfather Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2012
:) Aww you are sweet.
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:iconbluessaurus:
bluessaurus Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's interesting. :)
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:iconfujoshianimechick:
fujoshianimechick Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What about Brothers? Can they join? I have several feminist bros who would want to join!
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Nothing stopping them, and several of my other deviations make this point. See: [link] and [link] Not all feminists are women.
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:iconfujoshianimechick:
fujoshianimechick Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hooray! I knew that, I was just throwing it out there. :)
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:iconeumeia:
Eumeia Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Here are Joan of Arc's own words:

“I refer myself to God Who sent me, to Our Lady, and to all the Saints in Paradise. And in my opinion it is all one, God and the Church; and one should make no difficulty about it. Why do you make a difficulty?”
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
It seems that she is denying the authority of the Church. Am I understanding this correctly? Thank you for posting this.
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:iconeumeia:
Eumeia Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
Not exactly. Some other quotes of hers are clearer:

"About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they're just one thing, and we shouldn't complicate the matter."

“The Church! I love it, and would wish to maintain it with all my power, for our Christian Faith"
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swimgirl5976 Featured By Owner May 31, 2012
k im sorry im new to this so whats with this whole obedience to god thing? is it good or bad
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Read the link provided. You tell me whether its good or bad.
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:iconzipdraw:
ZipDraw Featured By Owner May 31, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
so what is the "obedience to god" part? Is it sarcasm? or is it for religion controlling your actions? is what I think he asked, not so much you policy statement.
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
They're Ben Franklin's words. I have no problem with the sentiment, or I wouldn't have used the quotation.
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:iconzipdraw:
ZipDraw Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Oh no I wasn't complaining or anything, just merely trying to explain what he was asking. I think you misunderstood what he was saying.
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Tawana Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
This is awesome. I could'nt really think of anything else to say but I do like this.
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Merci.
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:icontawana:
Tawana Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
Ja.
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:iconladyroadx:
LadyRoadx Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
Anti-abortists only want to impose their beliefs into others, dont think over the consequencies that their ideals have to othore people. Right now, if you really dont, want or cant give a proper life to the children, why are you imposed to do so? will make you or the child happy? no, it's impossible.

And, to be religious makes people less pragmatic? Why anybody thinks a little about overpopulation?
I am not a religious person, but i do believe in god. And if god made us able to to think and choose, then if we make a bad decision is totally on us.
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:iconjuunibi:
Juunibi Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
I agree. The thing is, if you're against abhortion, then don't get one. But don't force people to bear the consequences of your beliefs and your opinions. It is, and has to remain, the individual's choice.
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:iconladyroadx:
LadyRoadx Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
A few days ago, here in Spain, a doctor was sentenced to pay 25 years of tuition, to a woman, as a punishment for a fail abortion surgery... xD
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:iconjuunibi:
Juunibi Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
That's too much, in my opinion. All surgeries can go wrong, and it's no always because the doctor neglected the security procedures.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not mistaken, Spain is still a very religious country?
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:iconladyroadx:
LadyRoadx Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
It is very religious, but during 8 years it was the socialist party who ruled, in this time legallized the gay marriage and a lot of progresists changes.

In the chase that i told you, the doctor neglected but, didnt tell to the patient that he was failed. And three months later when she realized she was still pregnant it was illegal to abort. The doctor said it was not his fault, and they both went to courts... Long story, at the end the woman won the case, and because the bad treatment, the doctor had to pay the tuition of the child.

Imagine it was not an abortion case but a cancer one...

I too think 25 years of tuition maybe a little... but, the woman surely needs a compensation, dont you think? If she wasnt married? If the chid was from an unfidelity? If she was minor? or just to poor?

Thanks to answer, i like a lot to talk with interesant people.
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Juunibi Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
I see. I've never been to Spain. I'm curious as to how it works here. I know that it used to be a dictator, Franco, who ruled in the 70's.

If the doctor was negligent, he has to pay for it, of course, but 25 years in prison is a little too much for me. He didn't cause the death of the woman.
Doctors can make mistakes, even with the best intentions in the world. All humans make mistakes. But if it's caused by neglect, that's another story.

I agree the woman needs a compensation for what she's been through. In my eyes, if she wasn't married or infidel does not make it any worse, but I guess the society certainly would find it immoral.

I'm always happy to talk to people about our different opinions, as long as it remains respectful!
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LadyRoadx Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2012
My english is not very good... there is a mistake, the doctor dont have to go to prison, only to pay for the children until he grow up. xP

And yes, Franco was a dictator that ruled here until the 75. When he died, there was a paceful transition to democracy, by the hand of our actual king.

Actual spanish society still devided into two, traitionalists, and progresists... they both tend to be radicals. Religious people with closed minds, and the other ones are almost comunists. The people in the middle have to suffer them, U . Thats why morallity here is just a point of view. And if it wasnt bad enough, the global crysis stroke us really hard, leading us to the 20% of unnemployed population.

I dont know how are the news in your coutry but, europe, is a total mess!
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:iconjuunibi:
Juunibi Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2012
I'm from Canada, and from what I can see, it is very divided between French speakers (like me) and English speakers because, on contrary to popular belief, there ARE french speakers in Canada and we are a nation of our own. We do not want to be associated with the english canadians. We are totally different in the way our mind works. French speakers tend to be more progressist. English to be more traditionalists. But extreme ideologies are not well accepted in Canada. We do not like extremes, we do not like conflict. In my region, canadians are generally non-practicing christians. In terms of religon, people stay moderate. But there ARE some extremists. Progressits tend to be much less radical and violent. I never heard of a violent act from progressists in my life.

My country is known worldwide to be a peaceful and free country. But now, the reality is quite different. Our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper covers us in shame in front of the whole world. He doesn't give a damn about the environment, making the rest of the world believe ALL Canadians don't care. Some really don't care at all, but in my province, Quebec, where we speak french and have a fundamentally different culture and way of life, we care a lot more about it than the general English Canadians.
Harper is the leader of the Conservative party. The name says it all. Abhortions are legal in our country. We had what we called the Quiet Revolution (which was not quiet at all in fact) in the 60s to completely separate religion from the government. The people won and religion was separated from politics. But the Conservative party is trying to bring it back in, without people really realizing it. They want to criminalise abhoritions again. They really don't care about women's rights. Their publicity is very close to being propaganda. I don't speak for all canadians, I speak for myself. I am ashamed of my government, of being Canadian. I have to stick to my Quebecer identity, for the sake of dignity.

Yet, even now, Quebec itself is in a social crisis so serious they hear about it in South America, US and Europe. Our provincial Prime Minister wants to raise the price to have access to University of 82%. Of course, students don't agree, because they want education to be acessible. There were many manisfestations, many people were wounded. The government refuses to listen to the students. Now they created a law that basically forbids manifestations. Democraty is threatened in what used to be the most free place in the world. Or government is corrupt, controlled my the mafia. They tell us they will use the money to finance the Universities, but many don't believe them. This money is never returning to us again. It will all go to organized crime. We're being hopelessly robbed and we can't do a thing about it. I'm afraid someone will have to get killed for things to move.

It is a very very complex conflict, I could give you all the details but it's be far too long. It's been lasting for three months already. There never was such a long and intense crisis in Queber since the 60s. It's a mess in Canada too...
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:iconmentalistid:
mentalistid Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
politics+religion=war, inequality and anti-abortion
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Ghaunth Featured By Owner May 29, 2012
This image deserves a big "D+mn Right!"
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:iconbattlebrothertherix:
battlebrothertherix Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I see the point, but please, stop trying to make it a holy war.
Not all need convincing - not all believe - that it has anything to do with god.
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poasterchild Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I'm not sure you do understand. The anti-abortion (and anti-birth control) people have made this a holy war. They claim their public policy positions are based on Scripture, and hence, the Word of God. That's fine with me as far as it extends to them only, but they are attempting to impose those beliefs on the rest of us, including those who have different religious views, though the political process, and given the chance they will do so using the coercive power of the State to enforce their particularistic beliefs on the rest of us.

This poaster makes the point that some people, me included, ascribe to a different theology, one which holds that questions such as this are solely within the province of the individual involved and his or her version of the Creator. Hence, in our view, the right to choose is what is most important; the moral choices that one makes are the most important, and that is what the Creator expects of us -- to make those choices. In short, "the right to choose, and the making of those choices consciously, is obedience to God."

Personally, I don't think religion has any role to play in the public policy process. My religious beliefs and values extend to me only, and I would not try to impose my view of morality on anyone else. However, confronted by people who aggressively do try to impose their religious values on others, I think it is quite important to make the point that there are many people, religious people, who have a totally different point of view of what God demands of us. This leaves the militant anti-abortionists and anti-birth control control people with no other choice than to assert that their conception of God is valid, while mine, and that of the many people who agree with me, is not. I don't think that position is defensible, and that's why I want to draw them out so that they have to make their claim explicit, and then try to defend it.
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:iconbattlebrothertherix:
battlebrothertherix Featured By Owner May 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
My apologies. I drew a different meaning.
Being an Atheist/Amalathian, and a mild aspergus, sometimes I misinterpret these things.
At least there are some people wo don't see compelled to shove their religion onto everyone else.

I wish you good luck in calling them out - using such a blunt way can illicit one of two responses:
Rage, in many forms depending on who answers the call.
If the person(s) that answer are either very blunt themselves of slightly mad, this is the way to go. Personally I take a more subtle method in defending my beliefs.
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scholarwarrior-lad Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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:iconfreefall127:
freefall127 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012
it's not a right, it's a duty. if you don't choose who makes it into the next generation then it'll be all rapists and misogynists. the human race can't stand many more generations of this bullshit before we crumble under the weight of our idiocy. when women control their own reproduction we can feed all our children. poverty, hunger, and war will be things of the past.
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poasterchild Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
blush.jpg
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:iconmiguel2010:
Miguel2010 Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Professional Photographer
I love it! I will post it on my Facebook wall for everyone to see. Thank you for sharing it!
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
That, my friend, is the kindest thing you can do for me. I am grateful.
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darkkairi Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Student General Artist
:iconbravoplz: Thank you for this!
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:iconlupinluva:
LupinLuva Featured By Owner May 28, 2012
I like you, you're smart.
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:iconpoasterchild:
poasterchild Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Thanks. I'm trying.
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